Problems with Bombardier

Oops, Bombardier Inc. is having problems and this does not bode well for TransLink as Bombardier Inc is the sole supplier of mini-metro cars for the Expo, Millennium and Evergreen lines.

That what’s happen when buy a proprietary railway, they “gotcha”.

MONTREAL ai??? The Toronto Transit Commission, accusing Bombardier of incompetence,” says it may sue the Quebec plane and train maker over the
latest delays in delivery of streetcars.
Commission chairman Josh Colle says the board will consider at its Oct. 28 meeting possible legal and financial actions against the company, including
a $50-million claim permitted under the contract for late delivery.

Ai??He said Bombardier Transportation advised the commission Thursday that it won’t meet a commitment made in July to deliver 23 new streetcars by
year-end, including 20 available for service. Given Bombardier’s failure to meet its past commitments, Colle said the TTC has no confidence in this latest schedule.

“I am incredibly disappointed to learn that Bombardier, yet again, will not be meeting their commitments to deliver new streetcars to Toronto,” Colle
said in a news release.

“The TTC board has lost all faith in Bombardier’s public promises and ability to deliver this order. We will not let Bombardier’s incompetence hold our patient and loyal customers hostage.”

The company now says it will deliver 19 cars by the end of 2015. Sixteen of them will be in service, including the 10 currently in operation.

The original $993-million contract called for 67 of 204 new vehicleordered by the TTC to be in operation at this time.

Bombardier blamed the delays on production issues in Mexico with the crimping of electrical connectors on six streetcars in production. The problem was identified during quality assurance reviews in Thunder Bay, Ont. The 3,000 wire connections in each of the cars will need to be examined and fixed.

Ai?? “Bombardier obviously regrets that its performance on this particular project has been disappointing to the TTC, but we remain fully committed to continue to support our customer and deliver the streetcars as soon as> possible,” said spokesman Marc-Andre Lefebvre.
The company said it plans to extend production hours in the manufacturing sites assigned to the project by adding a third shift per day.

Lefebvre said the incident doesn’t signify a broader problem with its Mexican operations, noting it is involved in projects across North America. The previous production delays were caused by issues in Thunder Bay, Mexico and some external suppliers.


3 Responses to “Problems with Bombardier”
  1. Richard says:

    And the problems are caused by Toronto streetcar order due to it being a custom order. Your ability to spin anything to be anti SkyTrain is rather amazing.

    Zwei replies: A custom order? You must be joking, the only hurdle Bombardier has to do was to make the bogies accommodate 1,495mm track gauge instead of 1,435mm standard gauge, something European tram manufacturers have done for well over a century. Sorry, custom order it ain’t.

  2. Haveacow says:

    No they are not, its due to the fact that this is the first 100% Low floor LRV built outside of Europe. Our Low floor LRV’s are 70-75% low floor and much easier to build then 100% low floor LRV’s designs.

  3. Haveacow says:

    Axel length and bogie frame width (the main problem of track gage differences) is not a big deal.The TTC and Bombardier have dealt with that for decades. Hence the existence of Toronto Kits, or Philadelphia or Pittsburgh Kits. There are many that different track gages its not a problem. A friend described the problem in North America is that, the Mexican plant that produces the parts and the Thunder Bay plant that is the main LRV assembly plant are not used to dealing with the extreme parts and manufacturing tolerances required for 100% low floor frames and bogies. Until now, the main North American Low floor designs available like, the Siemens S70 or the Kinki Sharyo 3 truck Low Floor LRV, have high floors over the Trucks/Bogies, this allows especially, in the non powered centre trucks of the standard 3 truck design, a lot of extra space to put stuff. This space is not available in a 100% low floor design. This also means that, a hole for fastener in a body frame or the “U shaped” truck or bogie frame on a 100% low floor LRV for example, has a real problem if its even 1/4 to 1/2 of a milimetre off centre, not so much on the 75% low floor frame which has a lot of extra space to work with. European LRV assembly factories are used to this level of detail, our LRV assembly and fabrication plants here in North America are not. Unfortunately, the North American Bombardier workers have a learning curve that is too steep for Bombardier customers and apparently the stock holders as well. Simply put, our factories are used to building the standards for single engine civilian aircraft when they need to apply the standards for fighter jets and space shuttles.

    Bombardier will come around. Siemens had the same problem with their standard European LRV The Combino, The problems were solved and the improved LRV’s were renamed Avenio. This problem should not have been such a surprise to everybody. Bombardier warned the TTC that this could happen when they were forced to build the vehicle in North America, for political reasons instead of Europe. I’m surprised that Bombardier still has not done what it said it would do. Separate the Rail and Aerospace divisions into separate operating companies, wholly owned by Bombardier. This way, the bleeding the Aerospace division has wouldn’t effect the Rail Division. The late delivery problem of one production facility in the rail Division wouldn’t heavily effect the Aerospace Division.