The Big SkyTrain Sell – Eby And The NDP Are Worried

 The Vancouver Sun has always shilled for SkyTrain. They repeat government hype as factual news.

What this huge infomercial in the Vancouver sun tells me that Eby and the NDP are extremely worried that their agreement for the flip flop from originally planned LRT to extending the Expo Line 16 km to Langley will not do as promised, but only create more traffic chaos, more congestion and endemic gridlock.

Sorry folks, most of what is being presented is politcal diarrhea and like the other SkyTrain lines, which under preforms, the $4 billion to $5 billion extension will not take many cars off the road, but will all but destroy any sound transit planning for decades to come.

It has all been said before.

“If you repeat a SkyTrain lie often enough, the people will come to believe it”

Zwei sent a letter to the Sun, but it probably will not be published because the Sun has a history of not printing letters that are negative to continued SkyTrain light metro expansion.

The Editor;
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SkyTrain to Langley has to work? Well I can save a lot of money and not bother because it will not.
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What we call SkyTrain is actually the name of the regional light-metro system, a name chosen by a contest by a local radio station. The current name for the trains operating on the Expo and Millennium Lines, is the proprietary Movia Automatic Light metro (MALM) system, currently owned by Alstom.
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Being a light metro, it is the wrong transit system to deal with regional transportation issues, but there is worse to come: MALM is obsolete.
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The proprietary railway has been on the market for over 40 years, with only seven built, now with only 6 in operation. The system has had four owners, including Bombardier and now is deemed unsalable. The current owners Alstom, is not actively marketing the train, as it is far too expensive compared to their in-house light-metro systems.
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The advertised cost $4.01 billion for the 16km Langley extension does not include the cost of new cars; the $1.47 billion rehab of the signalling system that is needed to carry 17,500 pphpd; the yet to be tendered estimated $2 billion rehab of the electrical system also needed to to carry the increased capacity and the replacement of all the switches to  high speed switches, again needed to carry the higher capacities. The Operations and Maintenance Centre #5 with an estimated cost of $500 million to $1 billion is also not included.
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Including the $2.7 billion 5.7 km Broadway subway, the total cost of building 21.7 km of SkyTrain, the real cost is over $11 billion! A figure that TransLink, the Premier, and the Mayor’s Council on Transit is hiding from  the public.
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What is even more outrageous is that the $11 billion SkyTrain will not attract much new ridership if any!
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The question that must be asked; “Why is the Premier and TransLink again forcing an obsolete proprietary light metro onto the region that has an extremely chequered past: a light metro system that no other transit authority in the world wants?”
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Only a Judicial inquiry will find the answers and due to the strictly politcal nature of rapid transit construction in BC, will never happen.
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Rail for the Valley
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Memo the Editor: 150 words cannot do any justice to the ills of the continued use of SkyTrain. Vancouver is the only city in the world that continues building with the MALM system, a system that is one of the most studied transit systems in the world and the result is: SkyTrain is too expensive to build; too expensive to operate; too expensive to maintain; lacks capacity and in the 21st century lacks any flexibility in operation when compared to other transit modes, especially light rail.
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‘This has to work’: Why all eyes are on the coming SkyTrain extension from Surrey to Langley

A look at the promises — and potential pitfalls — of the coming $4 billion SkyTrain extension, which some say is key to accommodating the 500,000 people expected to move into the area by 2050

King George Station in Surrey’s now-bustling city centre has been the last stop on SkyTrain’s Expo Line since the station opened in 1994.

The line’s tracks though run a hundred metres or so beyond the station and end abruptly over a patch of green space, next to an abandoned strip mall that housed an appliance store, pharmacy and Sri Lankan grocer, hinting at future ambitions for expansion.

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If things go to plan, that future will start in 2024.

B.C.’s Transportation Investment Corp. is finalizing bids to start construction on a $4 billion, 16-kilometre, aboveground extension of the Expo Line along Fraser Highway, past parks, strip malls, car dealerships, trailer parks and Agricultural Land Reserve lands to a new terminus at 203rd Street in the City of Langley.

The project will be heavily scrutinized. It comes at a time when B.C.’s housing crisis is being felt acutely across Metro Vancouver and planners are scrambling to find ways to accommodate 500,000 additional residents south of the Fraser River by 2050.

The stakes are high. This will be the first major expansion of transit south of the Fraser in 30 years. A failure to concentrate not just population growth but new also jobs along the Surrey-Langley SkyTrain corridor will hinder progress toward building affordable housing, constraining suburban sprawl and taking cars off the road.

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“When you get a major rapid transit line coming in like that, it certainly does adjust how we expect the population (to grow) around the region,” said Don Luymes, general manager for planning and development for the City of Surrey.

This SkyTrain extension replaces a light-rail rapid transit proposal that would have linked Surrey’s city centre with Newton to the south and Guildford to the east with at-grade trams. The pivot, Luymes said, has “caused an adjustment in our thinking about how density will unfold across the city.”

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Luymes said it won’t mean delaying growth in other areas to focus on Fraser Highway, but the higher-capacity SkyTrain creates “a higher-density scenario than we would have anticipated 10 years ago.”

There is pressure on the eight new SkyTrain stations to not just accommodate high-density housing development but also housing that remains affordable, particularly for new immigrants and refugees who have been finding homes and establishing communities in the region.

Making sure “transit-oriented development doesn’t become transit-oriented displacement” is the catchphrase that urban-planning expert Andy Yan uses to describe the challenge ahead for the province, Surrey, the City of Langley and the Township of Langley as property values have skyrocketed.

Since 2017, home prices across Surrey soared 60 per cent or more, with detached-home values approaching $1.6 million and townhomes $865,000, according to an analysis by Landcor Data Corp.

Landcor’s analysis generally didn’t identify outsized increases in land values around future stations, except for the proposed 152nd Street location. However, that could be due to the fact there had been few sales of commercial properties and signs of speculation could easily be lost in the overall noise of the market.

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The SkyTrain line comes to an abrupt end just outside Surrey’s King George Station. Photo by Doug Quan

“(Displacement) is a fair concern, and I think that this is where the development element of TransLink is supposed to help mitigate,” said Yan, an adjunct professor and director of Simon Fraser University’s City Program.

In 2022, the provincial government empowered the B.C. Transportation Financing Authority to acquire land for the provision of affordable housing and public amenities.

Before that, the province could only buy land directly related to the infrastructure, such as station locations or maintenance facilities, according to a statement from the Ministry of Transportation.

The province “currently owns parcels of land that could be used for transit-oriented development,” according to the statement, though it didn’t say how much.

“We want to be strategic about our land acquisition, so we don’t want to advertise it necessarily too loudly,” Transportation Minister Rob Fleming said Dec. 1 at the announcement naming the extension’s new stations.

The project will be able to tap $394 million the province set aside over the next three years for the purpose of buying land and “we want to get a good price, because (acquiring) lands is critical to deliver thousands of affordable housing units,” Fleming said.

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Surrey Mayor Brenda Locke welcomes the province’s participation in transit-oriented development, but her rapidly growing city is looking for more support from the province on a lot of fronts.

“The province better get ready to put some investment in the city of Surrey,” Locke said. “They are far behind when it comes to infrastructure, especially our school infrastructure and health care.”

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B.C. Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure Rob Fleming (left photo) and Langley City mayor Nathan Pachal and Surrey mayor Brenda Locke at a press conference announcing the names of the eight Surrey-to-Langley SkyTrain stations on Dec. 1, 2023. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG

Before construction starts, however, the development market in Surrey, the City of Langley and Langley Township has hit a standoff between buyers and sellers, particularly over the last 18 months, according to realtor Justin Mitchell of Frontline Real Estate Services.

“It’s been a staring contest between the vendors of land and the developers,” Mitchell said.

Developers don’t want to buy properties until zoning along the route is finalized and they know exactly how many units they can build at stations, Mitchell said. With higher interest rates on financing, the cost to hold properties has become prohibitive.

Property owners along the route mostly hold revenue-generating commercial development in an area of low vacancy.

“Unless there’s a compelling reason for someone to sell their land, they won’t,” Mitchell said.

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Yan said the province and city have compelling reasons to acquire land, though: to ensure that community amenities, such as parks, libraries and schools — which are already beyond capacity in Surrey — keep up with development.

“You’ve got to remember, households south of the Fraser are larger. Larger, with children.”

The Surrey School board estimates that in Fleetwood, the string of neighbourhoods along Fraser Highway from 152nd Street to 166th Street where a revised land-use plan suggests development will bring an additional 8,000 to 12,000 students, an additional high school and six to eight new elementary schools will be needed.

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A view of Fraser Highway at 148 Street. Photo by Doug Quan

“Certainly we’re working closely with the school district to figure out this challenge,” Luymes said. Doing so will mean considering more urban forms for schools than typical suburban schools spread over several acres of buildings and school fields.

Fleetwood is emblematic of the scale of change SkyTrain is expected to bring.

The community’s stretch of Fraser Highway has been in the shadow of development pressures since the Trans Canada Highway was built, said Dean Barbour, executive director of the Fleetwood Business Improvement Association.

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Now, however, it is in the spotlight with expectations for highrise and high-density development, not the mid-rise and less-dense construction residents were expecting with light-rail rapid transit.

“This has to work and it’s got to get done right,” Barbour said of the multi-billion-dollar infrastructure project.

“Or else the south of the Fraser is not going to see a transit project here for a lifetime if this goes sideways.”

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A SkyTrain station is planned for 160th Street (pictured), and another for 166th Street intersection. Photo by Jason Payne /PNG

How SkyTrain could turn low-rise Fleetwood into a major town centre of skyscrapers

In Fleetwood, a development proposal — three towers ranging from 14 to 40 storeys that would rise above what are now used-car lots — offers residents the first inkling of how the arrival of SkyTrain might change their community.

“I would say that the Fleetwood Community Association was a little surprised by that desire on behalf of the city as well (as the developer) to zone in that direction of extremely high peaks,” said Brian Woudstra, a director with the community association, about the proposal along Fraser Highway just east of 160th Street.

There was a time when the community association envisioned that Fleetwood, one of Surrey’s slower-growing communities, would eventually become a bit of a destination — more like “a bit of a small town” — once street-level light-rail rapid transit arrived, Woudstra said.

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However, the switch from light rail to higher-capacity SkyTrain means that the new Surrey-Langley SkyTrain corridor will have to attract significantly more of the expected population and job growth to achieve the regional goals of building more affordable housing, reducing suburban sprawl, and getting cars off the road.

It’s not that Fleetwood remains undeveloped, but it has been filling in with small-lot subdivisions and townhome complexes around the strip malls, car dealerships and auto shops along Fraser Highway.

However, the 2018 decision to scrap LRT in favour of SkyTrain along Fraser Highway prompted a major rewrite of Fleetwood’s community plan. It now contemplates Fleetwood becoming a community of more than 147,000 residents over the next 30 years, from the current 47,000.

Growth would be concentrated in the areas around three future SkyTrain stations — at 152nd Street (152 Street Station), 160th Street (Fleetwood Station), and 166th Street (Bakerview-166 Street Station) — with towers of 30 stories, and higher in the case of a proposal from longtime Lower Mainland developer Bucci Developments.

The community association did take part in crafting Surrey’s Stage 1 land-use plan, the one that would allow for those taller towers.

Woudstra said it was still startling to see “these little mountains (with) extremely high peaks” emerge in the Bucci proposal, which fall down toward low-rise apartments and townhouses within a few blocks.The association isn’t opposed to increasing density, especially if redevelopment results in the corresponding construction of better pedestrian paths and cycling infrastructure, but Woudstra said their preference would be to lower building heights and spread that density over a wider area.

“So all the concentration is going to be at 152nd (Street) and 160th (Street), and 156th Street will (probably) die as a commercial area,” Woudstra said. “Which is not the end of the world, but it’s kind of weird.”

Surrey’s land-use document still needs to be refined to finalize densities and building heights before being approved as a Stage 2 plan, sometime in 2024.

Luymes cautions that change is a long-term proposition, particularly in Fleetwood.

“The key thing here is that growth will not happen overnight,” Luymes said. “It will happen over many decades, particularly in Fleetwood, as properties redevelop.”

The station intersections at 152nd Street and 160th Street are already surrounded by low-rise commercial development, Luymes said, and it is often a hard sell for developers to build before the new transit infrastructure is already in place. And SkyTrain, tentatively, won’t be complete until 2028.

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Dean Barbour, executive director of the Fleetwood Business Improvement Association, across the street from a recently built four-storey mixed use building on 160th Street that was ideal for the light-rail rapid transit Surrey was expecting, but will likely be quickly redeveloped as part of a residential tower on the site now that full-scale SkyTrain is to be built. Photo by Derrick Penner /Postmedia News

Members of Fleetwood’s Business Improvement Association have already felt the headwinds of change, according to Barbour.

Businesses renewing leases face substantial rent increases with soaring land values, and more of those leases are coming with demolition clauses — unheard of when Barbour started his job several years ago.

“Everyone’s getting them now, (some) as short as 30 days,” Barbour said. That is forcing more businesses to contemplate alternate plans, especially those that know they will be displaced by the new SkyTrain stations or will have to make way for the towers of its elevated guideway.

Chiropractor and massage therapist Clifford Thai, who has built a thriving practice in a single-storey storefront on the northwest corner of Fraser Highway and 160th Street over the last 11 years, is bracing for his own upcoming lease renewal and is considering alternatives.

“As a business owner, we’re apprehensive about the disruption to local businesses because of the construction,” Thai said.

His building, for example, is across the street from the future Fleetwood Station, so “more than likely at some point, it’s going to be levelled” and replaced by a highrise.

“We’ll have to find a place to go, and where will we go? Will we be able to come back, will we be priced out of the market? That’s a concern for the future.”

In the meantime, Thai’s initial search for potential locations has shown real estate is “very expensive and … very scarce.”Other Fleetwood property owners in the position to redevelop remain in limbo until the Stage 2 land-use plan is approved, said Jon Lopes of Surrey-based Lineage Properties.Lineage owns a handful of sites at the intersection of Fraser Highway and 88th Avenue, including one that housed a Fountain Tire outlet and a Speedy Auto Glass shop in a building lost to an arson fire in 2019.Lopes said the company could rebuild, but the new Fleetwood land-use plan would eventually rule out future automotive-related tenants.In the meantime, Lineage’s revised plans to redevelop with 15- and 21-storey mixed-use buildings on the site can’t go ahead until the Stage-2 plan is complete.“It’ll work out in the long run, but it’s nailing us right now,” Lopes said. “Because they would only let us redevelop the site to what their existing (plan) will support, (but) that’s not what will be supported when it’s done in six months time.”Barbour knows how high the stakes are for Fleetwood businesses that the province minimize disruption. He worked for the Cambie Village Business Improvement Association during construction of the Canada Line in the late-2000s, where 85 per cent of businesses moved or folded during the process.

People driving along Cambie today would never notice a difference, but Barbour contends the village “lost a lot of its soul.”

“So that’s one of the things we’re working really hard (to avoid in Fleetwood).”

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2 Responses to “The Big SkyTrain Sell – Eby And The NDP Are Worried”
  1. Haveacow says:

    I still want to see a final cost for the Langley extension, remember they are still issuing contract bids for the actual builders of the majority of the infrastructure. Which means until all bids are received and really looked at no one really has any idea of the final cost. I want to know how much this project has inflated. Even the most ardent of Translink supporters I know agree with the assertion that the price of this project is no longer $4.01 Billion. Not with 7%-8% inflation rates. No class D price assessment originally done at an official 2.5% inflation rate from 2021 can last at what the rates in Canada currently are. Remember construction material prices usually inflates at 1.5 to 2 times the stated official inflation rate.

    Remember they can build it without the yard (OMC #5), without upgrading the existing Expo Line electrical system, improving the turnouts even without upgrading the signaling system. It’s definitely not recommended but possible. They still need the new Skytrains, which I found out is part of the current $700 Million Mark 5 Train order but it’s a bare minimum of vehicles that will find there way to Langley. They will more than likely need more in the medium term, with another order. Which means more money, more money.

    Now you can have bidding processes that have a fixed price, Ottawa did this. You can’t go above a certain price but it comes with a built in issue. The only way to cover increasing costs due to inflation, is to first burn through the extra spending built into the budget. Then you cut or cheapen extras built into the design, then you reduce the construction force numbers, finally then you can cut the scope of the project, unless built into the contract, then renegotiation is in order. Like I said, fixed price contracts have their own serious issues to deal with.

    Zwei replies: Apparently the OMC#5 is off the table and according to a former Mayor of Surrey, there is no land secured for this as he checked! He also said that the electrical rehab/upgrade is also off the table, but, there are serious problems looming and what they are he did not know, except for future serious problems. As for the switch replacement, there is no comment.

    What was both serious and funny, the current mayor just found out officially that the Millennium Line has a current capacity of only 4500 pphpd, which left her shocked as TransLink assured her that the capacity on the Millennium line was the same as the Expo Line. The mayor of Surrey has also been informed that if there is a federal election and Poilieve wins, all bets are off the table and promised funding will not materialize!

    There is also report floating around surrey that the extension will take very few cars off the road, as demographic change has changed commuting habits. The Current mayor is getting very interested in transit all of a sudden!

    There is now a new group promoting SkyTrain down the median of Hwy.1 and they are claiming it would be much cheaper by doing so.

    I understand Detroit went the the TTC garage sale and purchased a lot of bits and bobs from the SRT. Inquiries have been made locally but Toronto is much closer.

    Finally, the last quote price of the 16 km line will top $5 billion and the BC government may scrap it altogether (I doubt this) but build 7km into Fleetwood, which is more likely.

    As the NDP has made this an election issue they are stuck to it like a tar-baby.

  2. zweisystem says:

    I just did a quick calculation with the Bank of Canada Inflation calculator and what was $4.01 billion in 2021 is now $4.42 billion in 2023 and 2024 is just around the corner. As well structual cement is now $450 m/3 and I think that today’s cost for the guideway is $4.5 billion plus!

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