Tunnel Vision Versus Green Vision



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  1. Rico says:

    I will ignore his assumptions and just stick with the blindingly obvious. Why would you build this line where it misses almost all of the destinations? A line here will get 1/3 of the ridership of a line on Broadway. Great if you are going to UBC….not so good for just about everyone else. There is a reason no one except Adam is looking at that route.

  2. Rico says:

    My last message must have gotten lost…..I won’t bother talking about his assumptions. The blindingly obvious thing about this proposal is it nicely manages to avoid almost all of the significant ridership drivers. It would be lucky to get 1/3 of the ridership of a proposal on Broadway. Don’t need to look any further as to why no one else is looking at this.

  3. Rico says:

    Arrrgh, I could not stop myself…..must try and limit futile attempts at reason….Adams $500million dollar price tag is so funny I could not help myself (maybe tomorrow I will talk about the next whopper although I will try to control myself). For the line you would need at least 22 trains. Assume 2 car trains. $3million per car is $132 million for the vehicles alone (and good luck finding cars for 3million). Then you need a place to store them…in the most expensive real estate in Vancouver (remind me again, what did the Jerico lands sell for again?). You would be lucky if your Operations and maintainance yard was less than $200 million. You still have not started engineering, property purchaces (except for the op/maintainance yard), utilities, track…………It would cost $500 million before there is a shovel in the ground.

  4. eric chris says:

    Great article Adam, thanks for sharing it. To UBC, the at grade rail line can run on the roads as a tram line for part of the way and in a dedicated right of way as a LRT line for part of the way, too.

    Tracks for the rail line to UBC do not have to run in both directions along Broadway. For the rail line to UBC, you only need one “new” set of tracks on Broadway (West 9th Avenue) and can use the “existing” set of tracks on nearby West 6th Avenue for a rail loop – this takes only one lane away from cars along much of Broadway and cuts the construction cost and time for the rail line to UBC.

    Taking one lane away from cars for the rail line also replaces lots of buses, and I doubt that vehicle traffic is impacted much. Trolleybuses handle the traffic in the direction which is opposite to the travel of the tram or LRT line on Broadway to provide transit in both directions on Broadway. By the way, the tram or LRT line on Broadway can use the existing wires presently used by the trolleybuses, with few modifications.

  5. eric chris says:

    “Unaffordable housing = transit by TransLink”

    Unaffordable housing in Vancouver correlates strongly to the over-densification along subway and s-train lines. Transit by TransLink is the major cause of the lack of affordable-detached homes in Vancouver; transit by TransLink has contributed greatly if not exclusively to the housing crisis in Vancouver. Both Vision and TransLink are terrified that people are starting to connect the dots to see this. In other words, more subway transit by TransLink = less affordable housing. This is not what Vision and TransLink want people to know.

    Condo suites along s-train and subway lines are marketed internationally to wealthy individuals. In effect, the peasants (Canadians) are being driven out to Surrey and Delta for developers to buy up single family homes to in turn deplete the stock of affordable housing in Vancouver and to drive up the cost of housing through price wars amongst greedy developers fighting for properties along subway lines. Fascist Gregor “Benito” Robertson and his developer buddies are the real culprits of the unaffordable housing in Vancouver.


    Rising housing prices in Vancouver have the following domino effect: increased housing prices and urban sprawl throughout Metro Vancouver. More people living in Delta and Surrey has resulted in our worsening road congestion – worst in Canada – as more people are on the freeways in cars, and not less.

    TransLink does not want this to be known. Ironically, TransLink over spending on s-train infrastructure at the neglect of needed new bridge crossings has been the catalyst for our worsening road congestion.

    “Transit by TransLink = catalyst for road congestion”

    Transit by TransLink is a hoax. Hub to hub transit by TransLink (s-train, subway and b-line) does not reduce road congestion (U of T) and does not reduce carbon emissions (UBC). TransLink exists to funnel money from taxpayers to SNCL building the s-train and subway lines and Bombardier supplying the equipment for s-train and subway lines. High rise condo development along s-train and subway lines is for developers to make money after the crooked Vision party councillors and mayor in Vancouver rezone detached housing for high rise condos marketed overseas to wealthy jet setters buying penthouse suites for the view.

    Along Cambie Street, transit use hardly changed after the subway, and TransLink merely bused riders to the subway to fill it. Sure, massive densification along Cambie Street will eventually increase transit use. It will also result in more drivers and more traffic chaos. Traffic congestion along Cambie Street is already worse than it was before the subway, after only a few years of homes being torn down for high rise condo development; yet the subway along Cambie Street was peddled as the supposed solution to road congestion. What happened?

    After the successful failure of the subway on Cambie Street, the subway along Broadway is being touted as the solution to road congestion: being caused by all the “transit buses” on Broadway. I’m skeptical.

    Along Broadway, if developers who own the Vision party in Vancouver are allowed to wipe out single family homes housing 10 people, for example, to build one high rise condo housing 500 people, population density increases by 4,900% and vehicle traffic increases by 4,900%. How can this possibly result in less road congestion along Broadway? Logically it can’t.

    I also question the logic of empty articulated diesel buses to UBC until 3:30 AM to “cut carbon emission”. I don’t believe what our “Green” mayor says about the subway being the answer to road congestion and carbon emissions because his lack of logic defies logic. Reality according to Gregor Robertson is not really reality. Fantasy by TransLink is actually reality.

    Vision studies might also claim that if we build more trails to commute by horseback as in 1915, horseback riding will increase, too. While the claim might be somewhat true, it is also stupid and not relevant to life in 2015 – just as subways are not relevant to life in 2015.


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