Welcome To The World Of Congestion Folks!

This should not be news but it is, congestion has returned to the Port Mann Bridge

With tolls, traffic and gridlock was just moved to the Patullo and Alex Fraser Bridges and the Massey Tunnel, but with the tolls eliminated, traffic pasterns are getting back to usual.

Welcome to the commuting world brought to you by your regional mayors and provincial politicians, by their grossly inept and self serving transit and transportation planning.

Don’t worry though, it will only get worse.

The cure?

Well not a cure but good medicine for regional traffic woes is the Leewood/Rail for the Valley plan to reinstate the old BC Electric interurban with modern diesel multiple units now and TramTrain in a few years hence.

With costs starting at a $750 million for a Vancouver to Chilliwack rail service, it seems a bargain compared to a now puny $4 billion SkyTrain Broadway subways, or TransLink’s dreadful offspring, the over $2 billion Surrey LRT and road project.

Both transit projects won’t take a car off the road, but the Rail for the Valley plan will.

Real transportation solutions work and work very well, but not so nice to cut ribbons in front of at election time.

Extra traffic, crashes leading to regular delays on toll-free Port Mann Bridge

by NEWS 1130 Staff

Posted Oct 11, 2017

An extra 30,000 vehicles use the Port Mann daily since tolls were eliminated

SURREY (NEWS 1130) ai??i?? The Port Mann Bridge has seen its fair share of delays since tolls were lifted on September 1st, and itai??i??s not just the extra traffic volume.

The crossing is handling an extra 30-thousand trips per day, leading to more significant accidents and frustrations for drivers.

Commuters like Charity Long ai??i?? who drives between Maple Ridge and Vancouver ai??i?? have seen the difference.

ai???My commute into work is an extra 25 minutes a day and my commute home has been at least an extra half hour,ai??? she tells NEWS 1130, blaming more traffic and more accidents since the tolls were eliminated on the Port Mann and Golden Ears bridges.

Long almost wishes the province would start charging drivers for crossing them again.

ai???Absolutely, itai??i??s terrible,ai??? she laughs. ai???Itai??i??s selfish but I want those tolls back on.ai???

Jen Coles in the NEWS 1130 Traffic Centre reports on the Port Mann Bridge during the busy weekday commute and says the delays have noticeably increased along Highway One over the past six weeks.

ai???There are definitely more collisions, more problems and more volume. Every day we are seeing an issue in that stretch between the Port Mann and the Iron Workers Memorial Crossing,ai??? she says.

ai???Now that we are into the fall we can see it is an increase in volume and, in turn, an increase in problems. People are not paying attention, theyai??i??re driving too fast and not leaving enough time and room, causing problems.ai???

Coles says callers to *1130 have been frustrated.

ai???We went from a bridge that was not seeing a lot of volume, with a quick commute through the Burnaby Lake stretch. When there was a problem it didnai??i??t cause much of a back up ai??i?? we hadnai??i??t seen a back up into Surrey since the tolls were put in,ai??? she explains.

ai???When you remove the tolls you get more volume and more collisions and now people are late for work and theyai??i??re trying to race, which is only adding to the problems on the highway.ai???

Those additional problems are not surprising to transportation expert Gordon Price at Simon Fraser University.

ai???This is physics. Whether itai??i??s atoms or automobiles, if you increase the number of units going the same speed in the same space, I think a physicist can probably work out exactly what youai??i??re likely to see in the way of more collisions,ai??? he says.

Price suggests the return to longer delays on the Port Mann Bridge likely wonai??i??t change if the region moves ahead with some form of road-pricing as a replacement for individual bridge tolls.

ai???It really isnai??i??t reasonable or fair to think that tolling should only be on bridges, and certainly not for only parts of the region,ai??? he adds.

ai???But how you do it fairly across a whole region in a way that all transit users and drivers feel is fair ai??i?? thatai??i??s the political challenge.ai???

Price expects Metro Vancouver and the province to move forward with some form of mobility pricing ai??i?? paying for distance travelled ai??i?? as a replacement for bridge tolls.

ai???One way or the other, new technologies are going to allow us to properly price the use of the road or any form of transportation in a way that better reflects what the real value is,ai??? Price says.

ai???Making the right choices is what the mobility pricing commission is looking at and ultimately what our political leaders are going to have to decide on.ai???


6 Responses to “Welcome To The World Of Congestion Folks!”
  1. Phil Gustafson says:


    Wondering if this is possible on the SkyTrain? Do you think it was because of his narcissism?


    Zwei replies: The death rate on SkyTrain is much higher than Edmonton. Deaths occur every few months on SkyTrain, while in Edmonton, every few years. The difference is, local media do not publicize death on SkyTrain.

  2. Phil Gustafson says:

    Zwei replies: The death rate on SkyTrain is much higher than Edmonton. Deaths occur every few months on SkyTrain, while in Edmonton, every few years. The difference is, local media do not publicize death on SkyTrain.


    So if you don’t know how many deaths occur on the SkyTrain, because you don’t have access to that information, how do you know that the death rate in Vancouver is higher than in Edmonton?

    It is strange that you say that local media in Vancouver do not publicize death on the SkyTrain. Here is a link to a publicized death on the SkyTrain, published by local media:


    A quick “google” search reveals a number of other reports of SkyTrain deaths.

    Wondering what your source of information is as it relates to what local media report. Have you contacted their offices and discussed their reporting policies?

    In any event though, the Edmonton death in issue here appears to have been an accident, not a murder or a suicide. The young man is reported to have been wearing earbuds when the accident occurred. My question was whether you feel that it was narcissism that caused his death, and, whether such deaths occur on the Vancouver SkyTrain.


    Zwei replies: From my files, the death rate on SkyTrain is about three times of that of Calgary’s LRT and much more than Edmonton’s. There have been many stories on the high number of deaths on SkyTrain and TransLink has stopped saying it is the safest transit mode.

    Statistics from the B.C. Coroners Service spanning 1985 to May 2015 show 75 deaths on SkyTrain, of which at least 10 were accidental. This total has now gone up and when you hear the term “medical Emergency” almost assuredly means another death on SkyTrain.

    In Edmonton, the murder by LRT a few years back was the first death on the system in several years. In fact a quick review sees about 4 deaths since 1988!

    It is foolish to say that grade separated SkyTrain is safer because when compared to Edmonton it is not.

  3. Dondi says:

    Zwei, may I request that you be more scrupulous about the facts you cite in this public forum?

    Above you say “From my files, the death rate on SkyTrain is about three times of that of Calgary’s LRT”.

    But a couple of months ago it was “The death rate on SkyTrain is about twice of that of Calgary’s LRT” (in comments on http://www.railforthevalley.com/latest-news/zweisystem/a-letter-sent-to-surrey-council-part-1).

    And, as is annoying typical of you, you do not provide your source for the 75 deaths from 1985 to May 2105.

    So I looked it up (see https://www.straight.com/life/458271/skytrain-deaths-examined.) The 75 deaths works out to 2.45/year. The article cites the BC Coroner, so I looked there and http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/public-safety-and-emergency-services/death-investigation/statistical/suicide.pdf reports there were 2.7 suicides/yr. on Skytrain between 2006-2014, which would total about 24 for this period.

    If we subtract 10 accidental deaths from the 75 for 1985 to 2015, that leaves 65, and less these 24 suicides we have 41 other deaths for 1985-2013. Most were probably suicides (if so their rate for this period would have been 1.4 per year).

    A couple of numbers from Calgary: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Pedestrian+killed+CTrain+43rd+accidental+death+system/9555183/story.html says there were 43 accidental deaths on the CTrain (accidents only! Suicides presumably not included!) between 1981 and 2014. This is 1.27 per year. And http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-woman-killed-lrt-ctrain-killed-pedestrian-struck-whitehorn-1.4117113 says there were 74 fatalities at or near CTrain stations from 1981-to (mid) 2017. This is over 2.0 per year. It is not clear if suicides are included in these numbers.

    Your Skytrain death rate of 3 time the Calgary rate is clearly wrong, and your 2 times the Calgary rate is highly suspect until you cite some serious sources. The above numbers do not provide a true “apples to apples comparison”. But if we use them, the Skytrain rate is less than 1.25 higher than the CTrain rate.

    What is your better “apples to apples comparison” data, and where does it come from?

    The true picture is that transit in both Calgary and Vancouver is very safe. There is no big difference between the two. As in other cities with metros Vancouver has more ‘jumpers’ and Calgary’s not completely separated guideway results in more collisions.

    Let’s discuss real issues about transit.

    Dondi, you are troll and I treat you as such.

  4. Phil Gustafson says:

    Ten accidental deaths on the SkyTrain from 1985 to May to 2015 out of 75 total.

    Calgary has had 43 accidental deaths from 1981 to 2014. There have been several more accidental deaths on the C-Train since 2014. This is in addition to the suicidal deaths on the Calgary LRT system, which are not part of that figure.

    So Calgary’s accidental death rate is more than 4x greater than Vancouver’s SkyTrain system.


    Thankfully the SkyTrain is grade-separated then! Ten accidental deaths is a much, much better rate than Calgary’s.

    It sounds like grade-separation is an important aspect in reducing systemwide deaths, as the SkyTrain would surely have a much higher death rate than it already does, were is not for grade separation.

    You mention Edmonton’s LRT system. As you may know, a substantial portion of Edmonton’s LRT is grade separated. Might that have helped to reduce the total number of deaths on the Edmonton LRT?

    Presumably Calgary would have had many less accidental deaths than 43 were it not for grade separation.

    Zwei replies: The feeling in Calgary about many of the deaths that they were indeed suicide, but were not ruled as such.

    Both Calagary’s and Edmonton’s were copied from German S-Bahn, and though the C-Train operates largely at grade, the R-o-W is well protected by fenced crossing lights (for cars and pedestrians) and arms. It takes some doing to get killed by tram in Calgary and Edmonton.

    Wearing earbuds on city streets is damn dangerous and deadly. Headline should have read “ANOTHER PERSON DEAD WEARING EARBUDS ON CITY STREETS”

    You can fiddle all the figures you want, the death rate on SkyTrain is higher than Calgary’s

  5. Phil Gustafson says:

    Zwei replies: The feeling in Calgary about many of the deaths that they were indeed suicide, but were not ruled as such.


    LOL… No, I don’t think that’s the case, sir. I live in Edmonton now, but I lived in Calgary for a long, long time, and there is no such “feeling” there.

    It’s quite easy to back you into a corner, where you feel you have to come out making that sort of statement. But you call your credibility into question when you do. People read your comments, and it turns them off. You don’t seem to grasp that.

    You have spent a lot of time, and frankly, one imagines, a significant part of your life with this website and your agenda, but it hasn’t translated into any kind of influence with the mass transit decision makers in the GVRD. None.

    Change the aforementioned word “spent” to “wasted” and some would say it hits closer to the truth.

    I think you’ll have a tough time getting any traction with the mass-transit decision makers in the GVRD if you are going to resort to that kind of reasoning, in order to promote your agenda.

    Zwei replies: Have you actually talked to transit officials in Calgary? I doubt it but here we come to a very sad comment, you don’t give a damn about the poor souls who commit suicide. For you, they don’t count.

  6. Phil Gustafson says:

    Don’t bother replying, Zwei.

    Don’t publish it if you don’t want to.

    Just think about it.

    Zwei replies: The problem with your ilk is that you only want statics to favour want you want to believe. The entire SkyTrain Lobby lives in a fairy tale where facts don’t count.

    So here is something to think about sunshine, if Calgary’s transit was grade separated than they would probably have more deaths, but they are suicides and has you have demonstrated before, your don’t give a damn.

    The real reason why politicians won’t change from SkyTrain/light rail planning in metro Vancouver, they are taking orders from those who profit from SkyTrain, because those who profit are making massive profits with light metro construction.

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