Listen To The Experts

Currently the full program to extend the Expo and Millennium Lines a mere 21.7 km will now cost in excess of $16 billion. The now, estimated cost to complete the Broadway subway to UBC is now past $8 billion.

Yet the provincial government had be carried kicking and screaming to find a few million of dollars to help ease the passing of a terminally ill girl, who has an almost unique disease.

The estimated cost for Rail for the Valley’s regional railway from Marpole to Chilliwack is less than $2 billion and the estimated cost to upgrade the E&N railway on Vancouver Island to provide a comparable service with the RftV’s project is somewhat north of $4 billion.

The experts long ago, told the politcans in Vancouver and Victoria to avoid building with SkyTrain, but hey, it looks neat and it is sure of a “vote getter’.

Civic, provincial, and federal politcans are now caught in a trap of their own making as they have greatly deceived the taxpayer on the true costs of the SkyTrain light-metro system and are now doubling down planning more.

The key word is planning, because in today’s new Trumpian world there is no money for transit, especially politically prestigious transit projects built to win elections and little more.

Fiscal reality is about to hit TransLink, the regional Mayors, and the Provincial NDP square in the face and it will make them wish that an earlier premier “had listened to the experts”!

First posted by zweisystem on Thursday, October 27, 2022

When Patrick Condon, BSc, MLA,  Professor Chair, Urban Design Faculty of Applied Science School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture says a new transit vision is needed in metro Vancouver, we should listen.

We should have listened to the experts in the 1980’s when the then Social Credit government forced ALRT onto the regions regional transit planning.

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We should have listened again to American Transit Expert, Gerald Fox in 2008.

The Evergreen Line Report made me curious as to how TransLink could justify continuing to expand SkyTrain, when the rest of the world is building LRT. So I went back and read the alleged Business Case (BC) report in a little more detail. I found several instances where the analysis had made assumptions that were inaccurate, or had been manipulated to make the case for SkyTrain. If the underlying assumptions are inaccurate, the conclusions may be so too.

We should have listened to the 62% of those voting against TransLink’s transit plans in the 2015 plebiscite.

$11 billion (the full program cost is now in excess of $16 billion) needed to build a mere 21.7 km of SkyTrain light metro should be setting off major alarm bells in Metro Vancouver and Victoria, but those alarm bells have stayed quiet.

An UK Transit expert, who was in Vancouver, wrote a guest post for the RFTV blog, The Emperor has no Clothes and no Transit, is worth reading again.

You don’t meet people of substance here. You meet flakes. The press is dominated by yellow journalism. Rarely if ever have I read a real piece of investigative journalism. You do not meet people who form their opinions based upon facts. When you encounter Vancouverites and engage them in the discussion of social issues the argument usually become circular and they end of talking only about themselves. There is a kind of deep insecurity that comes from profound feeling of self loathing that is hard wired into the political culture here. Narcissism is the dominate religion and worshiping at the Temple of Mammon; real estate speculation is the Holy Grail.

We must listen to the experts today, as the alternative is more highways, more cars, more gridlock and more pollution.

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New transit vision needed for a changing Metro Vancouver, says expert

Screenshot 2022-10-27 at 10-32-36 Metro Vancouver transit planning needs change CityNews Vancouver

By Mike Lloyd

Posted Oct 27, 2022

Hundreds of thousands of trips are taken on Metro Vancouver’s buses and trains every day, but are enough commuters able to get to where they really need to go?

After the civic elections, TransLink is getting a new Mayors’ Council this fall and one expert believes the transit authority and its leaders need to start steering transit development toward change.

“I’ve long argued it’s well past time to do that because our transit model is not suited for the way the region is growing,” Patrick Condon with the Urban Design Program at the University of British Columbia said. “Most of the job growth is not in downtown Vancouver, it’s throughout the region, and it’s very dispersed in many, many locations.”

Condon says the current hub-and-spoke model presumes that all the jobs are downtown and all the workers live in the suburbs, but it’s no longer the case that all roads lead to Vancouver.

“We committed to the SkyTrain system in the 1980s and we seem very reluctant to move away from it into a system that’s much more affordable and much more capable of serving a distributed region with a distributed system of transit,” he told CityNews.

He says surface light rail and express buses are much more affordable ways to move people than using an elevated or underground SkyTrain system, particularly the “fantastically expensive” Broadway subway line currently under construction in Vancouver.

“The problem [with the SkyTrain] is, because of its nature, it can never serve, within reasonable distance, everybody in the region. It’s impossible to serve everybody with such an expensive system. There are much more affordable systems that can reach closer to people’s homes and can bring them to where they want to go if it’s not downtown Vancouver.”

Condon points to the “political brouhaha” in Surrey as an example.

“When Doug McCallum regained the mayoral seat four years ago, he immediately switched away from a completely funded light rail system that was going to serve Guildford, downtown Surrey and Newton, preferring to extend SkyTrain out to Langley without the funding. And they still don’t have the money to go out to Langley. It’s a terrible situation”

Condon argues the at-grade, light rapid transit plan would have served a denser population area, it was cheaper to build and it was fully funded.

“Now you have a situation, which I don’t think was fully recognized during the last election, where most of the job and housing growth are occurring south of the Fraser [River]. The City of Vancouver has a population growth of less than one per cent over the past couple of years whereas, when you get south of the Fraser, it ranges from about 1.8 per cent in Surrey to over three per cent in Langley.”

The good news, according to Condon, is that the growing Lower Mainland is arranged along a corridor.

“It would be relatively easy to service this constellation of linear communities, from Surrey to Langley to Abbotsford to Chilliwack, with a reasonably inexpensive system that just connects the dots.”

That’s if we consider the region as a whole, beyond the Metro Vancouver area served by TransLink, he notes.

“We don’t really think about [the region past Langley] as part of our metropolitan area but it most certainly is and that’s where the growth is happening. And to extend a super expensive subway out to UBC on the premise we are going to add another couple hundred thousand people to Vancouver really defies the gravitational pull of where growth is going.”

The inaugural meeting of the next TransLink Mayor’s Council on regional Transportation is November 17th.

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