Diesel Trams for the Interurban – Lessons from Kassel! Part 3
Though the old BC Electric Interurban service from downtown Vancouver to Chilliwack was an ‘electric‘ service, the wires and electrical equipment have been long removed and the remaining railway has been operated as a diesel railway. To get a affordable Interurban service into ‘quick‘ service, Diesel LRT could be the answer and as we see in Kassel, Diesel LRT can be very successful in operation.
What is importantAi??Ai??butAi??Ai??largely ignored in our part of the world is the importance of the seamless or no transfer journey in attracting ridership. TheAi??Ai??impetus for LRTs evolution to TramTrain was to provide a seamless ‘rail’ Ai??Ai??journey in Karlsruhe Germany.
Essentially it involves the A?ai??i??E?joining-upA?ai??i??ai??? of a tram network with heavy rail so that local services sharing paths with conventional trains on the main line can travel over both systems, enabling seamless through journeys. The need to change modes is thereby eliminated: accessibility is improved and end-to-end journey times drop. In KarlsruheA?ai??i??ai???s case, the city centre, about two km from the main station, was the main attraction, and a through journey from the suburbs with dual-voltage electric trams was made possible.
Success of Karlsruhe’s TramTrain was almost instant with a 423% increase in weekday ridership after only a few week is operation! In Vancouver, TransLink’s transit philosophy is the opposite; to design a transit system that willAi??Ai??cram every bus rider they can on the SkyTrain and RAV/Canada lines, to claim high ridership numbers. Unfortunately for the transit customer, TransLink doesn’t care aboutAi??Ai??his/hers needs or wants and they show no hint in changing their rather bizarre method of operation to a more user-friendly transit model.
With the TramTrain debate we see the same naivety, where someAi??Ai??advocates want a Surrey to Chilliwack onlyAi??Ai??‘rail‘ service and care little for the ‘rail’ service to terminate in downtownAi??Ai??Vancouver, with the result of forcing Vancouver bound customers to transfer to SkyTrain for a 45 minute trip to Vancouver. By extending the service to Vancouver, would provide a ‘seamless‘ journey to the Fraser Valley, with a a potentialAi??Ai??to serviceAi??Ai??almost one million more customers!
Rail for the Valley do not want to ‘Snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory’ with an ill-planned ‘rail’ line, that looks nice but but fails to meet customers expectations.
The key forAi??Ai??the Fraser Valley TramTrain’s success is to design and plan it right and use proven and successful transit models such as Kassel and Karsruhe and not ‘back of an envelope’ planning, based on whimsAi??Ai??and hearsay. It is extremely important that the proposed Valley Interurban is seen by the public to be successful and to be successful, the Interuban must be the product the transit consumer wants!
A A?ai??i??E?MustA?ai??i??ai??? Read for Rail For The Valley A?ai??i??ai??? Diesel trams: a new way forward? Part 2

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Diesel trams: a new way forward?
By Charles King A?ai??i??ai??? Modern Railways March 2007
A comparrison of Diesel-Hybrid and Electric only trams
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Technical specification
Ai??Ai??Joining up urban centres
First, taking advantage of a tramA?ai??i??ai???s ability to penetrate the urban centre, a tramway spur from the mainline to such A?ai??i??E?honey potA?ai??i??ai??? sites offers the opportunity to go right to where the customers want to go and encourage modal shift with seamless journeys. If Karlsruhe has shown that through journeys work with electric vehicles, then diesel trams prove that a potential station crucially need not be sited on an electrified Network Rail line A?ai??i??ai??? thus opening up the entire British railway network A?ai??i??ai??? nor would the tramway itself require electrification. Blackpool illustrates the potential: diesel trams offer the prospect of linking up the South Fylde line with the tramway, thereby opening up many new journey opportunities and contributing to the areaA?ai??i??ai???s regeneration. As no electrification would be necessary, major new infrastructure would be confined to connecting the two networks and restoring some of the double track on the railway section.
A ‘Must’ Read for Rail For The Valley – Diesel trams: a new way forward? Part 1
Diesel trams: a new way forward?
By Charles King – Modern Railways March 2007
- Ai??Ai??a common tram and heavy rail track gauge and a suitable interface point between heavy rail and tramway;
- Ai??Ai??a relatively large but dispersed population, ideally with a strong commuting market A?ai??i??ai??? Karlsruhe, for instance, serves 120 communities with a total population of 1.3million people;Ai??Ai??
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favourable urban planning and public transport characteristics A?ai??i??ai??? the two must be considered together;
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existing heavy rail stations some distance from the main centres they seek to serve;
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an ability to overcome the technological challenges such as providing trams with two sorts of traction equipment, signalling compatibility, and meeting the relevant safety standards;
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perhaps most importantly, the political will and funding to see the project through.
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Large infrastructure costs were avoided: the loading gauge in Zierenberg tunnel on the non-electrified Wolfhagen route to the west of Kassel did not allow for electrification without substantial rebuilding. This resulted in a capital cost saving of Euro 7.5million (Ai??A?4.9million).
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Ai??Ai??In addition to the costs of rebuilding the tunnel, the capital spend to electrify the 30-km Wolfhagen route would have been around Euro 2million (Ai??A?1.3million) per kilometre, not including ongoing operational expenditure, and unjustifiable in this case.
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Ai??Ai??Time and money would be saved in the planning process.
Ai??Ai??Ai??Ai??The above savings on the Wolfhagen route represent upwards of 55% of the total infrastructure costs of the entire project, and demonstrate, how much more expensive a fully electric system would be. Feasibility studies carried out between 2000 and 2003 focusing on whether to opt for electric-only vehicles or a mixed fleet containing dieselhybrid versions as well, favoured the latter and resulted in the authority to proceed. As an additional benefit, a short unelectrified freight-only chord at Kaufungen on the otherwise electrified Hessisch Lichtenau route could be brought into use to save eight minutes on the normal end-to-end journey time without any significant infrastructure work A?ai??i??ai??? an easy A?ai??i??E?quick winA?ai??i??ai???.
Timing is right for Interurban line – A letter in the Surrey Leader
More letters supporting valley rail. Sadly, if one links to the original story, one can see the same old anti-LRT rhetoric and unrealistic calls for spending $2 billion to connect Langley with SkyTrain, through “sparsely populated areas“.
Re: A?ai??i??Ai??Transit at a crossroads,A?ai??i??A? The Leader, March 24.
I have been following with interest those who for years have advocated a restoration of the old Interurban line. Based on what I have read, it looks like the whole Fraser Valley had a superior transit system in 1910 to we have today.
Unfortunately, with the A?ai??i??Ai??progressA?ai??i??A? of SkyTrain, the entire bus system was re-worked so that most buses now lead to SkyTrain. Nice for those who live or work near SkyTrain, but not for South Fraser commuters going other places.
The Interurban would serve many areas that are presently poorly served by transit. LetA?ai??i??ai???s bring it back. The price is right. The timing is right. The technology exists to make a light rail system run faster and cleaner than ever. If it worked 100 years ago with a tiny population, it should work even better now. Existing tracks and rights of way mean a minimum of construction, avoiding traffic delays, noise, cost overruns, and disruptive property acquisitions. Unlike a bus system, light rail is not Dependant on smooth-flowing traffic. As much of the system runs through ALR and less-dense areas, traffic pattern changes would be minimal. The sticking point for some seems to be that it doesnA?ai??i??ai???t go everywhere. True, but neither does SkyTrain and lots of people ride that.
Developments along the existing track corridor are growing exponentially. Coming from Langley, stops could be Cloverdale town centre; at 152/Panorama Ridge shopping centre, with buses going north and south to Guildford and White Rock; stops at King George close to City Centre with buses connecting to SkyTrain; and further on to the Surrey-Delta border.
LetA?ai??i??ai???s give it a try! There are several organizations working to restore old rail cars already. Give them some funding, get a prototype going ASAP and if it works why not eventually resurrect the whole thing, Chilliwack to Vancouver. The rail of the past can be the rail of the future.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/opinion/letters/89542182.html#disqus_thread
Talking transportation – From the Chilliwack Progress
More conversation about ‘rail‘ transit from the Fraser Valley. For very little money as compared to the SkyTrain light-metro, we could have a Diesel LRT demonstration line up and running from Chilliwack to Langley by the end of the year.
It is time that BC’s regional transportation policies reflect the 21st century, where building ‘rail’ transit as cheaply as possible, affordably servicing as many destinations as possible is far more important than building very small but expensive ‘trunk‘ metro lines that must be force fed ridership from buses to achieve symbolic high ridership, while at the same time bankrupting the transit authority.
Talking transportation
Greg Knill – Chilliwack Progress
The problem with so much of the talk around transportation issues in this region is that itA?ai??i??ai???s backwards. It starts with a A?ai??i??Ai??solution,A?ai??i??A? then lines up the obligatory evidence to prove why that solution would work.
WhatA?ai??i??ai???s needed is a discussion that starts fresh A?ai??i??ai??? a discussion that begins with the broad objectives of how we want our transportation system to evolve, then looks at what technology would best suit getting us there.
Last week the Chilliwack Chamber of Commerce brought in one of the more outspoken advocates of a community rail link between Chilliwack and Abottsford. His presentation drew a large turnout, indicative of the interest in this issue.
Talk about a rail link in the Valley is nothing new, of course. Unfortunately, that is where the discussion has centered. Rather than talk about transportation connectivity, the discussion has been about the viability of a train on the old Inter Urban rail line.
But the issue should be about more than a revival of an old rail link. It should be about a regional transportation plan that delivers the maximum economic and social benefits, at the lowest cost to the users and the governments that will inevitably subsidize the venture.
As Peter Holt told the Chamber on Thursday, far too much of the transportation talk in the Lower Mainland has centered on Vancouver.
WhatA?ai??i??ai???s needed here is a way for the various municipalities outside that sphere to develop a model that serves their interests. The object should be connectivity, based on the assumption that greater worker mobility will enhance economic opportunities throughout the region.
That will take more political will and direction.
WeA?ai??i??ai???ve seen it around issues like air quality. LetA?ai??i??ai???s see it around issues like transportation.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/theprogress/opinion/89472487.html
Rail advocate quotes Gretzky to push plan
Another fine article on the proposed ‘valley’ rail. There is an ever growing support for the ‘return of the interurban’ but please, there is really no such thing as ‘community rail’ and it would sad if the proposed interurban project were to beAi??Ai??side-tracked by an unproven transit philosophy. Any form of rail transit is expensive and it must be built to cater to to specific customer demands and wants, if not the public (the customer) will not use it. Community rail is a figment of an academics imagination, whichAi??Ai??makes good copy, but has little substance.Ai??Ai??The modern development of theAi??Ai??interurban, is nowAi??Ai??”TramTrain‘Ai??Ai??and is built to satisfy longer distance travel, rather than a short distanceAi??Ai??travel and definitely should not be seen as a feeder to the SkyTrain metro system.
Rail For The Valley supports a Vancouver to Chilliwack TramTrain, a 21st century transit philosophy that has proven to be not only affordable andAi??Ai??successful and is now used in over 20 locations around the world. The term, Community Rail, like the SkyTrain light-metro are onlyAi??Ai??mentioned in the METRO and Fraser Valley region and it is time that we join the rest of the world in designing and building proven light rail transit.
Rail advocate quotes Gretzky to push plan
By Brian Lewis, The ProvinceMarch 28, 2010
If more of our federal, provincial and municipal politicians who represent constituents south of the Fraser River thought like Wayne Gretzky, then moving throughout this vast and fast-growing region would be as enjoyable as it once was watching the Great One score hat tricks.
“Skate to where the puck is going, not to where it is now,” was Gretzky’s advice to fellow hockey players.
But his straightforward lesson still applies to far more than jocks chasing a little rubber disc on the ice. It’s also tailor-made for public transportation planning, for example.
This is why engineer and community-rail guru Peter Holt used the Gretzky analogy in his recent presentation to the Chilliwack Chamber of Commerce when he spoke about why he and many others strongly feel that the Fraser Valley’s best long-term transportation solutions are riding on the rails.
The eloquent ex-Brit and former Royal Navy engineering officer has an extensive professional background that includes a number of senior roles in Canadian aerospace programs and with the Department of Foreign Affairs.
Since moving his family to Surrey in 1997, Holt has focused on regional issues and served as executive director of the forward-thinking Surrey Board of Trade between 2004 and 2007. That’s where he also furthered a keen interest in urban and regional growth, public transit and, of course, trains.
On the nostalgic side, he’s an enthusiastic spokesman for the Surrey-based Fraser Valley Heritage Rail Society, which is well along in restoring one of the original cars from the old B.C. Electric interurban rail line that ran from downtown Vancouver and up the Fraser Valley to Chilliwack from 1910 to the early 1950s.
On the practical side, Holt sees the “Fraser Valley Heritage Railway” and its refurbished vintage rolling stock as an excellent medium for creating awareness of the potential to fully restore the 103-kilometre right-of-way, which is still owned by the B.C. government, to accommodate a new, state-of-the-art community rail system.
Not only is the interurban right-of-way a wholly-owned public asset, Holt points out, but the legal authority to use it for public transit has also been established.
An introductory “heritage tourism” service during the summer on part of the line could be introduced by late 2011 for as little as $700,000, he suggests, and the City of Surrey is very serious about backing the initiative.
But the primary goal for Holt, his rail-heritage pals and a number of Valley rail advocacy groups, is a full community-rail service that would link SkyTrain in Surrey with Langley, Abbotsford and Chilliwack.
Holt told the Chilliwack business group that about 20 years from now, another 400,000 people will be living in the Fraser Valley. That’s equal to another city roughly the size of Surrey today.
But, he warns, expanding the road system to accommodate this growth will be much more expensive and far more environmentally damaging than choosing a community-rail option.
“Of course cars are more convenient today, but as our roads become more congested and expensive to expand, people will have to look at other transit options,” Holt says.
In other words, plan transit based on where it’s going, not where it’s at today.
That’s how politicians can score with taxpayers.
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Rail+advocate+quotes+Gretzky+push+plan/2736247/story.html
Support In The Valley
On March 25, Peter Holt, an influential advocate for passenger rail, made a presentation to the Chilliwack Chamber of Commerce regarding the need for passenger rail in the South of the Fraser River communities. Brian Lewis of the Province was there and this is what he had to say…
If more of our federal, provincial and municipal politicians who represent constituents south of the Fraser River thought like Wayne Gretzky, then moving throughout this vast and fast-growing region would be as enjoyable as it once was watching the Great One score hat tricks.
“Skate to where the puck is going, not to where it is now,” was Gretzky’s advice to fellow hockey players.
But his straightforward lesson still applies to far more than jocks chasing a little rubber disc on the ice. It’s also tailor-made for public transportation planning, for example.
This is why engineer and community-rail guru Peter Holt used the Gretzky analogy in his recent presentation to the Chilliwack Chamber of Commerce when he spoke about why he and many others strongly feel that the Fraser Valley’s best long-term transportation solutions are riding on the rails.
The eloquent ex-Brit and former Royal Navy engineering officer has an extensive professional background that includes a number of senior roles in Canadian aerospace programs and with the Department of Foreign Affairs.
Since moving his family to Surrey in 1997, Holt has focused on regional issues and served as executive director of the forward-thinking Surrey Board of Trade between 2004 and 2007. That’s where he also furthered a keen interest in urban and regional growth, public transit and, of course, trains.
On the nostalgic side, he’s an enthusiastic spokesman for the Surrey-based Fraser Valley Heritage Rail Society, which is well along in restoring one of the original cars from the old B.C. Electric interurban rail line that ran from downtown Vancouver and up the Fraser Valley to Chilliwack from 1910 to the early 1950s.
On the practical side, Holt sees the “Fraser Valley Heritage Railway” and its refurbished vintage rolling stock as an excellent medium for creating awareness of the potential to fully restore the 103-kilometre right-of-way, which is still owned by the B.C. government, to accommodate a new, state-of-the-art community rail system.
Not only is the interurban right-of-way a wholly-owned public asset, Holt points out, but the legal authority to use it for public transit has also been established.
An introductory “heritage tourism” service during the summer on part of the line could be introduced by late 2011 for as little as $700,000, he suggests, and the City of Surrey is very serious about backing the initiative.
But the primary goal for Holt, his rail-heritage pals and a number of Valley rail advocacy groups, is a full community-rail service that would link SkyTrain in Surrey with Langley, Abbotsford and Chilliwack.
Holt told the Chilliwack business group that about 20 years from now, another 400,000 people will be living in the Fraser Valley. That’s equal to another city roughly the size of Surrey today.
But, he warns, expanding the road system to accommodate this growth will be much more expensive and far more environmentally damaging than choosing a community-rail option.
“Of course cars are more convenient today, but as our roads become more congested and expensive to expand, people will have to look at other transit options,” Holt says.
In other words, plan transit based on where it’s going, not where it’s at today.
That’s how politicians can score with taxpayers. blewis@theprovince.com
http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/columnists/story.html?id=d9192722-fe39-4e68-945b-80f2d3c37047&k=84094
Transit at a crossroads – From The Surrey Leader
Well here we go again, TransLink is planning for ‘rapid’ transit for Surrey and the Fraser Valley.Ai??Ai??Zwei has seen this all before and I’m afraidAi??Ai??I amAi??Ai??not at all enthused with the process, nor have much faithAi??Ai??in TransLink to do an honest study. Zwei hates the term ‘rapid transit’ as it refers to metro and only metro and I must remind everyone concerned that a transit system is as fast as it is designed to be, with TransLink in the past, deceitfully planning LRT to be slow!
The picture of the supposedly Eugene BRT, is in fact a guided, rubber tired Guided Light Transit (GLT) vehicle that costs almost as much to install than a tram, yet has far less capacity. GLT, must operate on a dedicated rights-of-ways and cannot operate on-street in mixed traffic. The Eugene BRT uses standard articulated buses,Ai??Ai??busways, signal priority, high level loading platforms and greatly reduced stops to increase commercial speed. With BRT comes lots of new road construction as well.
With 10 minute peak headways (approx. 700 pphpd), there was little scope to plan for light rail.
Zwei also hopes that the light rail consultant has indeed worked on completedAi??Ai??light rail projects, but what Zwei has read so far, there is little hope with this.
It just seems to me the same well oiled TransLink ‘dog and pony show’,Ai??Ai??done many times before, to keep the locals happy, while in reality doing nothing until the provincial government orders them to build another SkyTrain light-metro line.
Transit at a crossroads
By Jeff Nagel – Surrey North Delta Leader
ThereA?ai??i??ai???s no timetable or money yet to build anything, but TransLink has begun asking local groups what shape an eventual rapid transit extension in Surrey should take.
Various corridors will be examined that could see rapid transit lines connect the existing SkyTrain stations to more town centres in Surrey and on to Langley and White Rock.
A?ai??i??Ai??WeA?ai??i??ai???re not just talking about SkyTrain here,A?ai??i??A? TransLink project planning manager Jeff Busby said.
A?ai??i??Ai??WeA?ai??i??ai???re looking at light rail and Bus Rapid Transit, where youA?ai??i??ai???d use buses but youA?ai??i??ai???d run them in their own lanes so theyA?ai??i??ai???d have some of the advantages of rapid transit.A?ai??i??A?
He said the Olympic streetcar demonstration line to Granville Island is a good example of what light rail could look like south of the Fraser.
TransLink is not locked in to routes that have been bandied about previously.
The Provincial Transit Plan included a map suggesting lines be built heading south on King George Highway and also east on 104 Avenue to Guildford, then southeast via Fraser Highway to Langley.
The South of the Fraser Area Transit Plan also flagged the same routes for further study.
Ai??Ai??But consultants hired by TransLink to examine routes and technologies for the Surrey extension are also directed to look at the old Interurban rail corridor that many light rail fans say could be quickly used to launch a modern service.
Even Hydro rights-of-way that cut across Surrey could be potential routes, Busby said.
A?ai??i??Ai??ItA?ai??i??ai???s a blank slate at this point,A?ai??i??A? Busby said. A?ai??i??Ai??Everything is on the table.A?ai??i??A?
He mainly wants to know what local residents want to get out of a rapid transit expansion.
A?ai??i??Ai??How important is it that all the centres get connected? Are there some that are more important? What land-use and other planning goals should we be aware of?A?ai??i??A?
So far, TransLink is meeting with local stakeholder groups, with full public meetings to come in the fall.
The aim of the process, Busby said, is to shortlist options and then develop a preferred solution for the Surrey area that can be ready to launch if TransLink gets more sources of funding.
But Busby said the costs have to be weighed against performance factors, like the speed, frequency and carrying capacity of the various options.
SkyTrain carries the most people A?ai??i??ai??? 10,000 to 25,000 per hour A?ai??i??ai??? compared to 6,000 to 10,000 for light rail and 2,000 to 3,000 for Bus Rapid Transit (BRT).
The region has existing B-Line express bus routes A?ai??i??ai??? including VancouverA?ai??i??ai???s busy Broadway corridor to UBC A?ai??i??ai??? but none are as advanced as the type of BRT service Busby envisions.
BRT would feature permanent stations rather than stops and routes largely separated from traffic, potentially using traffic signal priority or else special bridges or trenches to scoot through congested intersections.
A?ai??i??Ai??We like at-grade street car-type light rail,A?ai??i??A? countered Surrey Coun. Marvin Hunt, who sits on the cityA?ai??i??ai???s transportation committee.
He said King George Highway is a natural for the route as is 104 Avenue, and said thereA?ai??i??ai???s ongoing debate over whether Fraser Highway or the old interurban rail route should be used for the southeast corridor to Langley.
Hunt said Bus Rapid Transit doesnA?ai??i??ai???t inspire public confidence and spur denser development in the same way as rail because buses seem temporary and can be easily changed.
A?ai??i??Ai??Once you get something thatA?ai??i??ai???s solidly in the ground, people respond to that a whole lot better,A?ai??i??A? he said.
Local transit advocate Paul Hillsdon also likes light rail as a long-term solution, but thinks itA?ai??i??ai???s better to back less-costly BRT than get nothing or wait.
A?ai??i??Ai??Considering TransLink is broke and we need change now, the cheaper, more affordable short-term solution, I think, is creating a Bus Rapid Transit network.A?ai??i??A?
He envisions a network of seven fast, frequent lines that would connect all Surrey town centres (using 104, 72 and 64 Avenues and Scott Road, King George, 152 Street and the Fraser Highway) as well as the entire north-south 200 Street corridor through Langley Township and 24 Avenue from Crescent Beach to Langley.
A?ai??i??Ai??It would service areas that are going to grow by leaps and bounds over the next decade,A?ai??i??A? he said.
Surrey is expected to take a quarter of the regionA?ai??i??ai???s growth by 2041, when the population is to hit 750,000.
Allen Aubert, who was one of SurreyA?ai??i??ai???s representatives on the South of Fraser Area Transit Plan, says time is of the essence and something must be built within five to 10 years.
ThatA?ai??i??ai???s why he says the old Interurban route has a critical advantage: it already exists.
A?ai??i??Ai??It goes to Cloverdale, to Sullivan, to Newton where thereA?ai??i??ai???s a big exchange,A?ai??i??A? he said. A?ai??i??Ai??And lo and behold, it can connect to SkyTrain at Scott Road. WhatA?ai??i??ai???s not to like?A?ai??i??A?
Past estimates suggest modern light rail cars A?ai??i??ai??? similar to BombardierA?ai??i??ai???s Olympic Line trams A?ai??i??ai??? could be put on the Interurban route from Scott Road all the way to Langley City for about $150 million, barely a tenth of the planned Burnaby-to-Coquitlam SkyTrain extension.
A?ai??i??Ai??ItA?ai??i??ai???s so cheap,A?ai??i??A? Aubert said, adding a spur line could easily be built running up King George from Newton to City Centre.
Aubert and others agree that whatever comes must serve local town centres, rather than be designed primarily to move commuters to Vancouver.
They say thatA?ai??i??ai???s the only way transit-oriented communities will develop and would reflect the reality that 80 per cent of trips south of the Fraser stay in the region.
Ai??Ai??For more on the Surrey Rapid Transit process see: http://www.translink.ca
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/88966702.html
Light Rail – It’s Child’s Play!
This item from Nottingham Express Transit’s web site is very interesting. Here we have Engineering students working on a tram or light rail line, doing simple maintenance tasks and learning to drive a tram. Not child’s play but it is illustrative of light rail’s inherent simplicity that makes it so cheap to build and operate when compared to it vastly more expensive distant relative SkyTrain.
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Top Valley students learn to run a tramway
On Tuesday 23 February, Nottingham Tram Consortium played host to a group of Engineering Students from Top Valley School and Engineering College. During their visit, the students were given a behind-the-scenes tour of the facilities available at NET’s Wilkinson Street depot. The purpose of the visit was to enable the students to gain an understanding of the reasons for undertaking maintenance in the industrial environment and its role within the organisation and some of the activities required to maintain a safe, reliable and high-quality tramway operation. The visit included a number of activities throughout the day, including a full tour of the depot site, tram maintenance facilities the control room from where the tramway operations are managed.
Working in groups, the students followed a set of instructions to complete a planned track maintenance task, with assistance from members of the engineering team. The group was also fortunate enough to understand and appreciate aspects of the tram including a short driving course within the depot sidings.
Top Valley School and Engineering College facilitates students from across Nottingham who are undertaking the Engineering Diploma along side their GCSE studies. The course, part of the National Curriculum, has been developed by industry and employers to bring the importance of engineering into the classroom whilst giving the participants the opportunity to learn and interact Nottingham Tram Consortium, supporting the community with which it serves, has been working in partnership with Nottinghamshire Educational Business Alliance and Top Valley School and Engineering College to develop a long-term partnership. Working together, students will be able to engage and experience engineering activities that will benefit their long-term aspirations and career goals.
TransLink is on the right track – Or Is It?
Is TransLink on the right track or is it merely taking an ‘avoiding‘ line with the Fraser Valley. TransLink deja vu is happening again with a so called consulting with the public/see your taxpayers dollars at work routine, its a well oiled ‘dog and pony show’ and I’m afraid I’ve seen too many. As pointed out in an earlier blog, TransLink is up to its old dirty tricks by vastly understating LR T’s capacity; it’s an old act and I guess that you can’t teach a very tired old dog new tricks. ThereAi??Ai??are threeAi??Ai??fresh ‘hoofer’s’ on the scene all wantingAi??Ai?? in on the showAi??Ai??own and one wonders can TransLink tired routine keep up with them and their new acts?
This time it will be different, because Rail for the Valley has a new routine for TransLink’s Valley frolics; it’sAi??Ai??coming your way very soon and will be a show stopper!
From the Langley Times
TransLink is on the right track
By Frank Bucholtz – Langley Times
The regional transportation authority is asking the public for input into what type of rapid transit would best serve the south of the Fraser region, including Langley.
For starters, the agency recognizes that SkyTrain is not necessarily the answer. SkyTrain works well, but it is very expensive to build. It moves a tremendous number of people, as was witnessed during the Winter Olympics, but it is questionable whether those volumes of people would ride a SkyTrain line between Langley and Surrey.
One of the biggest problems with SkyTrain is that it sucks up a tremendous amount of capital, starving TransLink from offering more bus service. A new SkyTrain line also requires payment of a large amount of interest each year.
Advocates for the restoration of interurban service along the BC Hydro rail corridor, including VALTAC and South Fraser OnTrax, will now have an opportunity to advocate for that service. Those who rode the streetcar on the line to Granville Island during the Winter Olympics and recently-completed Paralympics got a glimpse of what a modern interurban rail car would be like A?ai??i??ai??? and itA?ai??i??ai???s impressive.
Restoration of interurban service between the Scott Road SkyTrain station and Langley could cost as little as $150 million, says Allen Aubert, who was a public representative when TransLinkA?ai??i??ai???s South of Fraser transit plan was drawn up.
This is one-tenth the cost of the much-touted Evergreen Line in the Tri-City area A?ai??i??ai??? a line that is merely an extension of the existing SkyTrain system into Coquitlam and Port Moody.
Hydro owns the railway right of way between Surrey and Chilliwack, with Canadian Pacific Railway owning the tracks through LangleyA?ai??i??ai???s urban area. However, CP has a contractual obligation to allow the tracks to be used for passenger rail, part of the deal when the tracks were sold in 1988.
Aubert said the great advantage of the interurban is that it links existing communities and would serve to encourage local transit use south of the Fraser. This is a key point, as few people are willing to use TransLink bus service in this area unless they have no other choice.
The original interurban also served as a valuable link between communities, something reflected in the name A?ai??i??Ai??interurban.A?ai??i??A?
People didnA?ai??i??ai???t just use it to travel to downtown Vancouver. There were many trips to New Westminster, which at that time was the commercial centre for the entire Fraser Valley.
There are also other options. A rapid bus route using dedicated bus lanes has the ability to offer service with far more speed than conventional bus routes. A B-Line route, which is a modification of rapid buses, offers faster service A?ai??i??ai??? yet TransLink has failed to offer any such service south of the Fraser.
Langley residents who would like to see some of their TransLink tax dollars actually put to work here should take the time to let TransLink know what they think about transit options.
They can do so online, by going to the following website A?ai??i??ai??? http://www.translink.ca/en/Get-Involved/Public-Consultations/Surrey-Rapid-Transit-Study.aspx.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/langleytimes/opinion/88959037.html























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