Of Trains, Station Platforms, and Capacity
Zwie has got wind of a local transit advocate getting a nasty phone call a few evenings back from a chap incensed over a blog post on Facebook that went like this: The Canada line has station platforms 40m to 50 m long and operates 41 m long coupled sets of EMU’s, has about one half the capacity of the Expo and Millennium Lines, which stations have 80m long platforms and operate two; four; and six car trains up to 76m long.
The following is a list of Canadian Cities that operate metro, modern light rail, and trams and compare train and station platform sizes.
Thus it can be said in complete honesty:
” The Canada line is the only heavy-rail metro in the world, built as a light metro and has less capacity than a tram.”
For those who do not agree, may I suggest taking out memberships in the Flat Earth Society.
Vancouver
Edmonton & Calgary
Ottawa
Toronto
Has Trudeau “Caved-In” To Bombardier?
Bombardier Inc. is in trouble with their aircraft program; are near bankruptcy and need cash.
So what is the Federal government going to do?
Simple buy Bombardier’s light-metro and call it light rail.Ai?? The same ruse certainly fooled the Social Credit Party in BC in 1980 by renaming the unsellable Urban Development Transportation Corporation (UDTC a Ontario Crown Corporation) Intermediate Capacity Transit System (ICTS or light-metro) to Advanced Light Rail Transit (ALRT).
Sad fact is, this name change ruse still fools TransLink, as well as MLA’s!
What ever the City of Montreal want to call the dated and now obsolete SkyTrain, it is definitely not light rail.
To quote Quebec transit advocate Avron Shtern: “This is scandalous. Everything will be done in secrecy. No public consultationAi?? when it matters. Public pension money is being used and is being framed as private enterprise. If Quebec were in Latin America, it would be run like a Venezuela, etc… “
And the federal Liberals? Well, they are paying for this and have certainly given Quebec a “wink and a nod” to go ahead and are no better than their BC provincial namesakes.
Good old SkyTrain Mk.2 cars with coaches (Mk.3) and pantograph – definitely not LRT.
Montreal May Get ai???Light Rail Linesai??? From Downtown To The West Island
On the Champlain bridge, too.
by Michael D’Alimonte Ai?? March 17, 2016
People have had plenty of gripes with the new Champlain bridge (the overall budget, tolls) but one feature may make up for all of the woes accompanying the major building project:
Two special light-rail lines may be built on the bridge that will allow Montrealers to easily reach both the West Island and the Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport from Downtown, according to the Gazette.
Talks are set to begin on the feasibility of creating such a public transit service, with the the light-rail project headed by institutional funds manager La Caisse de dAi??pA?t et placement du QuAi??bec and the City of Montreal.
An estimated cost for the construction of the light rail lines is set at $5 billion, with the project inspired by a public transit study carried out by the AMT and the City of Montreal.
Modular Trams Just Keep On Growing!
Urbos 100
With its 100% low floor in the entire passenger saloon, the Urbos 100 is a solution that guarantees ease of access for all types of passengers. The Urbos comprises 5-car sets on 3 bogies, although 3-car up to 9-car versions are also available.
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3 cars: Total capacity*: 129

5 cars: Total capacity*: 221
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7 cars: Total capacity*: 306
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9 cars: Total capacity*: 397

Light Rail, Streetcars & Light-Metro – A Primer.
First published in the RftV blog in 2011, it is still pertinent today.
Updated and edited for March 2016.
Due to many people posting, on various blogs, absolute rubbish about light rail, it is time again for a quick primer on streetcars, LRT and SkyTrain.
Question: What is the difference between LRT and a Streetcar or tram?
Answer: Today the difference between LRT and a streetcar/tram is the quality of rights-of-way, where a streetcar operates on-street in mixed traffic, light rail operates on a reserved rights-of-way (R-O-W), such a boulevard or a streetcar/tram only HOV lane on-street, which gives LRT an unimpeded transit route and faster commercial speeds. Today, there is little difference between a modular tram or streetcar and light rail vehicle except for motor size.
Q: What is SkyTrain?
A: SkyTrain is a proprietary unconventional light-metro system system first designed and marketed by the Urban Transit Development Corporation ICTS/ALRT), a once Crown Corporation of the Province of Ontario, which is now marketed by Bombardier Inc. (ART) , who hold the technical patents; the engineering patents are held by SNC Lavalin.
SkyTrain is considered an unconventional railway because it is powered by Linear Induction Motors and is incompatible to operate with any other transit system, save itself. The Canada Line light-metro and SkyTrain are incompatible in operation. There are only 7 ai???SkyTrainai??? type systems in operation around the world, despite being first marketed in the late 1970ai???s and the number will be reduced to 6 when the TTC will soon replace the Scarborough RT, with either LRT or a subway.
Q: What is light metro?
A: Light-metro was originally supposed to bridge the gap of what old streetcars could carry and what ridership would justify a heavy-rail metro. Modern LRT has made light-metro almost obsolete by bridging the bus ai??i?? metro gap at a far cheaper cost.
Automatic (driverless) light-metros, with its higher construction and operating costs just canai??i??t compete against modern LRT and the mode is now a niche transit system, on the verge of total obsolescence.
Q: Is SkyTrain cheaper to operate than LRT?
A: No, SkyTrain costs about 40% to 60% more to operate than comparable LRT operations. A recent example of costs not borne by light rail is the now over $6 million annual maintenance costs just for escalators and elevators at SkyTrain stations.
SkyTrain does notAi?? pays its operating costs from fares.
The provincial government subsidies the SkyTrain network by about $250 million annually.
Q: How fast can LRT operate?
A: Generally speaking, LRT can operate as fast as its R-o-W will permit. Streetcars or trams, with stops every 300 to 5oo metres generally have smaller motorsAi?? (there is no need for larger, more expensive motors) giving maximum speeds of 60 to 70 kph, while light rail vehicles has larger motors, giving speeds of 80 to 110 kph.
Q; What about the claim that Skytrain is faster than LRT?
A: SkyTrain seems to be faster than LRT because TransLink has designed SkyTrain to be faster by having fewer stations per route km. Fewer station on a transit route attracts fewer customers. Studies have shown that over all journey times for trips under 7 km. are actually faster by streetcar, than by a metro.
Q: How much does LRT cost to build?
A: Light rail can be built as cheaply as under $10 million/km using TramTrain; $25 to $35 million/km. for a streetcar; $30 million/km + for light rail. TransLink has always gold-plated light rail with all sorts of added costs to drive up the cost of construction to be as close to Skytrain it can.
Q: What is the capacity of a light rail vehicle (LRV)?
A: Today, the capacity of a transit vehicle in North America is put at 5 persons per metre length of vehicle. In the past a transit vehicles capacity was put at all seats filled and 4 persons per metre/sq., but this calculation doesnai??i??t address the fact that in North America people are bigger; that there is a constant movement of people entering and exiting the vehicle; and that most North American customers demand seats.
Q: What is the capacity of LRT and/or streetcar line?
A: The capacity of a tram/streetcar line is dependent on vehicle size and headway’s. In Karlsruhe Germany, the main tram route through the city was seeing peak hour capacities in excess of 30,000 persons per hour per direction, which is 15,000 more than the maximum capacity ofAi?? the present Expo/Millennium Lines! The line is now being relocated in a subway, but it does show the threshold that demands a subway today. Today, most light rail lines are able to handle 20,000 pphpd.
Q: What is TramTrain?
A: TramTrain is a tram/LRT vehicle that has the ability to both operate on mainline railways or streetcar track. Since being introduced in 1994, there are now 3 times as many TramTrains in service that SkyTrain type systems.
Q: What is BRT?
A: BRT or bus rapid transit is a bus that operated on its own guideway or bus way, either guided or not. True BRT costs about 30% less to build than modern LRT, yet has not demonstrated any real advantage over LRT. BRT lines mainly seem the political way of tarting up express bus service and trying to sell it to the public as rapid transit. in most cases, the public are not fooled.
A reserved rights-of-way enables LRT to obtain commercial speeds of that of a metro.
Bombardier “Stuffed It Up” in London. Is Transit Planning “Stuffed Up” In Metro Vancouver?
Not all is well with Bombardier Inc.
The massive transit conglomerate has had too easy for too long and now is accused ofAi?? “‘duping’ the British capital into awarding it a train-signalling contract that it was incapable of delivering, creating ai???nothing short of a disasterai??? for the London Underground.”
I would like to remind everyone that Bombardier’s influence on TransLink in the past being the sole supplier of ALRT/ART SkyTrain, is now affecting our present transit planning with a $3 billion subway under Broadway to Arbutus and the $2.5 poor man’s SkyTrain disguised as LRT in Surrey.
Is Bombardier’s legacy helping to “stuff it up” in Metro Vancouver?
Bombardier Inc slammed by London for ai???shamefulai??i?? Tube project: ai???Nothing short of aAi??disasterai??i??
Republish
ReprintKristine Owram | March 14, 2016 |
Londonai??i??s city council has lambasted Bombardier Inc. for ai???dupingai??? the British capital into awarding it a train-signalling contract that it was incapable of delivering, creating ai???nothing short of a disasterai??? for the London Underground.

Bombardier Inc. has gone to great lengths to suppress the release of information about the government funding it receives, heading to court 10 times in nine years, often citing competitive concerns
The scathing report, prepared by the London Assemblyai??i??s Budget & Performance Committee, doesnai??i??t mince words in its criticism of Bombardier and Transport for London (TfL), the government body that awarded the contract.
London Mayor Boris Johnson also didnai??i??t equivocate, telling the committee that Bombardier ai???totally stuffed it up.ai???
In June 2011, Bombardierai??i??s transportation division was awarded a contract to upgrade the London Undergroundai??i??s automatic train control, or signalling system.
The company said it could do the job by 2018 for 354 million pounds (about $670 million) but it quickly became apparent that it wouldnai??i??t be able to deliver on time or on budget, according to the report, which calls Bombardierai??i??s performance ai???shameful.ai???
Real Light Rail For Surrey – The WKW Line
It has has been five years year since I entertained the idea of the Whalley ai??i?? King George ai??i?? White Rock LRT Line and in 2016 the WKW Line is still superior to what TransLink is planning for Surrey.
Surrey needs a bold new vision for modern LRT and I believe the Whalley ai??i?? King George ai??i?? White Rock or WKWAi?? LineAi?? would provide the vision to implement a strategic and affordable light rail network for Surrey and communities south of the Fraser river. Failure to plan and build sustainable light rail and to continue to plan and build with the hugely expensive SkyTrain light-metro, will beggar the region with ever escalating taxes, driving out business and residents out of the region.
The goal of the new light rail line is to serve customer needs and offer the ability to provide an attractive alternative to the car, it also must serve a multitude of destinations. Building LRT as an extension of the SkyTrain light-metro system will fail to meet expectations as LRT will not be designed to its best advantage. It is not ai???rocket scienceai??i?? to design a transit line to be an attractive alternative to the car.
The Light Rail Line
The 22 to 24 kilometer Whalley ai??i?? King George ai??i?? Rail for the Valley ai??i?? White Rock line (WKW Line for short) would be a solid foundation for an attractive light rail system in Surrey. The proposed light rail would be a classic LRT, operating on a ai???reserved rights-of-wayai??i?? (RoW) in the median of the roads involved.
The route of the WKW Line would start at at 108th Ave. & the King George Hwy. and would continue South to the Southern RR of BC (formerly the BC Hydro R.R.)Ai?? This portion of the route would service the Central City shopping district; Surrey Memorial Hospital; Queen Elizabeth Secondary School; Bear Creek Park; and the Newton shopping district.
The WKW Line would then network south-east along 4 km of the former BCE interurban line and proposed Valley Rail Vancouver to Chilliwack TramTrain route to 152nd. Traveling mainly through industrial lands, which would provide the ideal location for the Light Rail storage and maintenance yards. This portion of track would be double tracked and adequately signaled for safe freight/Interurban/tram operation.
There is the possibility of futureAi??joint operation with the RftV/Leewood interurban, enabling South Surrey and White Rock transit customers the option of a direct or no-transfer service to downtown Vancouver.
From 152nd Street, the KWK Line would go straight south to White Rock crossing the Nicomakle /Serpentine River valley basin. Along here, the line must be raised above flood plain and three new bridges across the Super Port Railway Line, and the Serpentine and Nicomakle rivers must be built. It is this portion of line that will be the most expensive.
Rising out of the small river valley the KWK Line would continue south along 152nd Ave., terminating in downtown White Rock
In the summer, the light rail line would bring congestion relief to White Rock by providing a quality transit alternative for the many thousands of people who come in cars to the popular beaches. Also close to the KWK Line is the South Surrey Athletic fields, which many fields and arenas are constantly busy with hockey, baseball, soccer, rugby, and football games, twelve months of the year. The KWK Line would also provide an excellent transportation access for the burgeoning housing estates, such as Morganai??i??s Crossing in South Surrey and White Rock.
An approximate map of the WKW route as Google maps do not use existing rail lines.
http://goo.gl/maps/jbOmS
The Cost
The the total cost of the KWK Line, including bridges and/or viaducts should cost no more than $1 billion, based on comparative LRT lines now being built The high cost of major engineering in the Nicomakle/Serpentine valley, would be mitigated by simple on-street construction on 152nd and the King George Highway and track sharing for 4 km on the Southern Railway of BC Line bisecting Surrey .
It is interesting to note that the total cost for the 98 km RftV/Leewood Chilliwack to Scott Road Interurban using Diesel LRT and the 23 km KWK Line would be about $1.6 billion or put another way we could build 121 km of modern LRT lines in the Fraser Valley for just a little more than the 11 km Evergreen Line!
Unlike present light rail planning, where development is encouraged to take place along a LRT/SkyTrain route, the KWK Line can pass through sensitive agriculture and ecological areas, without the need for land development. Building the KWK Line would provide a potential capacity ofAi?? around 20,000 persons per hour per direction on the route, well able to handle future passenger demands, yet still can be built much cheaper than its SkyTrain/light-metro competitors. The cost for a SkyTrain along the KWK Line? About $3 billion at a conservative cost of $130 million per km to build!
A modern LRT Line in Madrid, Spain ai??i?? A template for the WKW Line?
Using low-floor trams, with convenient stops, ensures an obstacle free journey for all transit customers including the mobility impaired, without the need of expensive stations and equally expensive to maintain elevators and escalators.
The KWK Line can provide traffic calming where needed, yet still supply ample capacity for future transit needs. By providing a regular and efficient transit service from White Rock to Surrey Central and by servicing many destinations along its route the proposed LRT line would attract ample ridership, including the all important motorist from the car. The KWK Line would also easily integrate with the RftV TramTrain interurban service from Vancouver to Chilliwack and could provide in the not too distant future a direct White Rock to Vancouver TramTrain service, faster than the present bus and Canada line service.
The WKW Line would bring 21st century transit solutions to Surrey, transit solutions that are too long overdo.
Toronto Signalling Study Of Great Import For Rail for The Valley
With thanks to Mr.Cow!
Signalling, the fine art of keeping trains from crashing into each other, is very important for the Fraser Valley TramTrain project and developments in Ontario are very relevant here.
Toronto, is now planning to have GO Train’s new RER system integrating with the new Smart Track surface subway proposal. The report was done by City of TorontoAi??Transit Planning Staff & MetrolinxAi??presented andAi??delivered to the City’s of Toronto’s Executive Committee. This is a very important study because this will most likely be the test case for theAi??eventual choice of how the interlining and scheduling of two different transit operating technologies operating in the same corridor should be done. This will greatly determine the structure and how the TramTrain concept must be planned, if it is to be legal for Transport Canada. If they can get this to work in Toronto, this will be the planning model the Valley TramTram must follow.
Must see videos
This is one of Zwei’s favourite tram photos.
Lawned rights-of-way; simple stations; and pedestrian friendly light rail in Grenoble.
Reprinted and re edited from 2009.
The two videos from Karlsruhe are a must see, to fully understand TramTrain!
All the links work, unfortunately the few that no longer exist, have been deleted.
Trams climbing grades –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMaCGnLKCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YiHO5jZYY4
Diesel LRT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TizfWStIy-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWATecifoFQ
Karlsruheai??i??s TramTrains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsIRUEeZts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsdJPaih0Fw
Lawned rights-of-ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ucG-9fGU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgzuarkGTYA
Tram/streetcars ai??i?? on-street operation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gckN2ANG_zc
LRT in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-0MlxWSEk
Massey Tunnel Mystery – Solved!
Ah, the truth comes out. It’s not congestion or traffic gridlock that is driving the $3.5 billion Massey Tunnel replacement, it is Port Metro Vancouver and Fraser Surrey Docks, as they want a massive subsidized bridge to replace the Massey tunnel so Panama max and Cape max vessels can venture up the Fraser River to their docking facilities.
No rapid transit; no extension of any rail transit, as it is rubber on asphalt all the way, as the taxpayer dances to the tune of Port Metro Vancouver and Fraser Surrey Docks.
Well, I say if Port Metro Vancouver and Fraser Surrey Docks want to replace the Massey Tunnel, with a ten lane, $3.5 billion bridge, let them pay for it!
The B.C. government decided in September 2013 to remove the George Massey tunnel and replace it with a $3.5-billion toll bridgeBy Kent Spencer, Postmedia News March 9, 2016
METRO VANCOUVER — Richmond politicians want to know how a tunnel under the Fraser River that was deemed ai???good for 50 yearsai??? is to be filled in and replaced with a 10-lane bridge.
Coun. Harold Steves said council has sent a letter to the provincial government seeking all documentation around its September 2013 decision to remove the George Massey tunnel and replace it with a $3.5-billion toll bridge.
The request comes after Freedom of Information documents showed Port Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Surrey Docks company lobbied hard in favour of scrapping the tunnel, a move that would allow larger ships to ply the south arm of the Fraser River.
ai???This bridge decision caught us totally unawares,ai??? said Steves. ai???We had a lot of meetings with (former) Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon in 2006 when he told us the tunnel was good for 50 years.ai???
Steves said FOI documents show messages from Port Metro Vancouver and Fraser Surrey Docks to government planners in 2012-13, at a time when the bridge-vs.-tunnel debate was taking place in Christy Clarkai??i??s government.
A memo from the port in March, 2013 ai??i?? six months before Clarkai??i??s announcement ai??i?? showed the portai??i??s preferred option and noted officialsai??i?? sensitivity to premature disclosure of their choice: ai???Option No. 2: Replacing the tunnel with a new bridge in the same location. Not publicly confirmed yet, but this is (Port Metroai??i??s) preference.ai???
A month later, port president Robin Silvester wrote ai???established terminals upriver of the tunnel (like the Fraser Surrey Docks) are at risk of becoming obsolete.ai??? His letter was addressed to Geoff Freer, provincial director for the tunnel replacement project.
City of Vancouver Buys the Arbutus Corridor
Well kiss any thought of affordable transit goodbye, as the City of Vancouver will never agree to have trams operating on the former interurban line, the Arbutus Corridor.
They may talk the talk, but will never walk the walk.
The Canada Line is extremely capacity constipated and light rail on the Arbutus would be a good deal cheaper to build than the estimated $1 billion to $1.5 billion needed to upgrade and increase capacity on the subway!
In fact it would be cheaper to build a stand alone LRT, from Vancouver to Steveston and Ironwood Mall, using the Arbutus Line, than just upgrading the Canada Line light-metro and extending it!
If Vancouver uses the Arbutus corridor for anything except but for transit, Metro Vancouver mayors should withhold any approval of all transit monies for the city, including the large subsidies needed for the trolleybus system.
LRT with a lawned rights-of-way would make the Arbutus corridor a real greenway
while providing an affordable transit option.Ai??
Vancouver buys Arbutus corridor for urban greenway, ending dispute with CP Rail
By Matthew Robinson, Vancouver Sun March 7, 2016 6:26 PM
VANCOUVER ai??i?? The City of Vancouverai??i??s $55-million purchase of the Arbutus Corridor from Canadian Pacific Railway has put to rest a long-standing battle, but its intention to use the route for transit could reignite a dormant fight.
The deal was filed Monday and before it was even announced, city staff had a new purpose for what theyai??i??ve already dubbed the Arbutus Greenway. The cityai??i??s plan is to turn the 9-km route from Kitsilano through the west side into a transportation corridor featuring walking and cycling paths as well as light rail or streetcars.
Mayor Gregor Robertson said final purchase price was a fair market valuation because the land is committed to be an active transportation corridor in the future.
ai???Thereai??i??s no question thereai??i??s an enormous city benefit here,ai??? Robertson said.
ai???Itai??i??s impossible to acquire a strip of land like this through basically anywhere else in the city, east or west, where rapid transit could be installed at a very reasonable cost.ai???
City staff plan to set up a new project office to oversee the design of the greenway and public consultations.
The Arbutus Corridor cuts through a few pricey neighbourhoods including Arbutus Ridge, Shaughnessy and Kerrisdale. Counted among the residents are dentists, doctors, lawyers, professionals and chief executive officers of companies, ai???the crA?me de la crA?me in Vancouver,ai??? as Pamela Sauder, a member of the Arbutus Corridor Residents Association, infamously stated in a 2000 protest of a plan to run rapid transit through the corridor.
The quote, which Sauder later apologized for, made for an explosive and memorable moment in the debate, but it was far from the only utterance residents have opposing the idea. The fight helped sway the decision to instead run rapid transit from Vancouver to Richmond underground along the Cambie Street corridor.
But the 17 hectares of now public land remains a tempting option for at-grade rapid transit.
Under the terms of the deal, any ai???excess landai??? in the corridor that is not needed for the greenway can be repurposed or sold, Robertson said. But he stated there is no development envisioned at this time and most of the space is expected to be taken up by transportation.
If any land is sold, CP Rail gets a share of the take. According to a complicated schedule provided by the city, the railway company would get 75 per cent of the first $50 million in profit, 50 per cent of the second $50 million, and 25 per cent of the third $50 million. Any profit beyond $150 million goes directly to the city.
But the deal also leaves CP the chance to exercise option on lands between West 1st and 5th avenues. Under that alternate scheme, the city would get 50 per cent of any proceeds CP raised beyond $75 million, and CP would cease to share in the profits from any corridor land sold outside of those few blocks.
CP pressured the city in 2014 in the midst of discussions over the sale of the land when it brought in work crews to dismantle community gardens that had sprouted along the unused line. The railway claimed it intended to store railway cars along the corridor. The city filed an injunction to block the railway from reactivating the line, but that bid was dismissed in B.C. Supreme Court.
The city had offered the railway $20 million for the land, but CP wanted an undisclosed amount more, reported to be a figure five times higher.
The mayor and Keith Creel, president and chief operating officer of CP, announced the agreement together Monday morning with the rail line and a community garden in the background.
When asked if the company ever had any serious intention to store railway cars in the corridor, Creel said it did.
ai???Actually, we were serious,ai??? he said. ai???Thereai??i??s just a shortage of locations to store cars today, and so it is definitely something we would have used had we not come to this agreement.ai???
ai???We certainly regret any inconvenience that was caused,ai??? Creel said, adding he was elated a deal was reached.
As part of the deal, CP agreed to remove its railway lines and ties from the property within two years.
The mayor described the deal as a ai???fair agreementai??? and a ai???historic development that will create a destination greenway from Vancouver coming off of our world-renowned seawall.ai???
Robertson asked community gardeners to hold back on expanding their plots of land.
ai???Itai??i??s up to the community engagement to decide whether some more gardening space could be allocated somewhere along the corridor. Obviously it has to work with the transportation and the walking and biking paths.ai???


















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